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De Maximoff · Mar 21, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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There will be no option to migrate characters from Guild Wars 1 to Guild Wars 2.

What could possibly motivate people to buy Eye of the North? You are spending money to buy it and investing your time in characters that you can not take into the new game. For myself there is no motivation to buy it.

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A team will be assigned to support the current games with live contet still expected.

How long will this last? The development will be in GW2 not the current game.

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by De Maximoff

What could possibly motivate people to buy Eye of the North? You are spending money to buy it and investing your time in characters that you can not take into the new game. For myself there is no motivation to buy it.

How long will this last? The development will be in GW2 not the current game.

Two very good points! I was also wondering if I would like to buy the next expansion. Why should I even bother anymore? Just to bridge over the gap between GW1 and GW2? I might as well play a whole new game. I've seen some other game suggestions in this forum. Might as well try those.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 21, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

CuriousCarrie, I belived I said Cassie before - sorry :x I was talking to someone on msn called Cassie and yeah :P
Anyway, I was thinking along the same lines as you. This 'GW2' just isn't GW. Release it under another name or something, 'Scrub Wars' - jks.
Sleep time, I predict it's gonna reach page 50 by tomorrow morning XD

PS: half the people who post here just try to impress with their 'mature' facade.. w/e. Don't even bother with them =)

Thanks,
~Rhanoct

Neriandal Freit · Mar 21, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Well, where do I start? It seems to me that the 'expansion' will be interesting, I do admit. Having to play with the Dwarves is going to be a blast, I've always loved the Dwarves since I've started this game, and I've always been interested in the two known deities the Dwarves pay some of their homeage to (Then again, a group does dedicate them selves towards Glint don't they?), and (it seems..) we have to face a god once more. It is excellent to have the catacombs of Tyria be revealed and be able to be played with once more!

I honestly am looking forward to this expansion. However..

Personally not interested in the option of playing other races. I said many, many many moons ago I think we should have to earn the ability to play races like the Charr, the Dwarves, etc. By earned, I didn't mean spend money to buy a game. I meant to play the game we currently have in the world we've currently got. Don't get me wrong, I know I will have a Charr character. He will be a Charr, through and through and I know I will enjoy playing him/her. I'm not interested in three other playable races I have no idea why they are even in this new game.

Talon Silverwing sound familiar to anyone? He was that fun Angchu Tengu from Cantha who helped us if we choose to. There was also those Grawls we got to play with all through Tyria in our first game. I would rather have the option of playing one of these two races then I would three other races I know nothing about currently. I've already got a tie with them, and in the game, we where begging to be aligned with the Angchu Tengu in Cantha, so why not a hundred years from current gaming that we couldn't play as one? I don't want to see some dopey looking creature a person is playing as running around, I'm sorry. It has no appeal to me there. Edit: I would much rather spend 50 Hours earning the ability to play a Margonite, or the Forgotten, the Grawl and the Tengu then I would to pay $60.00 US Dollars for a game with these races I know nothing about until the very end of Guildwars.

To my characters. I know Gaile, you've given an explanation and shown us examples (Lineage, Civil, so forth..). This game has never been like the other, why should it begin to start being like the others now? These characters, as the entire ANET and Guildwars Community know, are a part of us. We play them and live through them in this game for a period of time. I've given them names, I've created identities for them. They have ties to other people, places, and things, and I have to say good bye to all of that? It rather sucks. We can destroy a god, his demonic servants and those he twisted. We can watch a countless old dragon come to us in a avatar, we can visit far off lands, and countless other things. But we can't come up with a way to bring our characters over?

Really, I know it's a new game. Awesome. But let's bring these characters over and COMPLETELY reset them in this new world. Let them retain the name, the appearance, their face and hair color (Although we all know many of us would like to change hair color and length...). I don't want to start off in a new game being on top of the game, there is no appeal what so ever to me on that front. Why would I want to do that anyways? What I want to do is further my characters story and their lives. I shouldn't have to say good bye to them now when their story isn't complete and a new one is about to begin .

Neriandal, Alsitha and Vierita Freit are all siblings. The Elementalist, the Mesmer and the Monk. The Brothers (the first two) have known what they've done best for some time, and their sister (Vierita) didn't discover who she was until she dropped everything and went to Elona. Little does she know, after the destroying of Shiro Tagachi, the Brothers have heard their sister left to go to the Land of the Golden Sun, leaving their Tower in Kryta all alone. Now they are secretly there, after taking a boat from Kaieng Center with a mysterious young woman known as Aluriel Silverdawn. A young ritualist who family came from Tyria ten years before the Searing of Ascalon. Having her parents died a few years back, she now travels and furthers her self as a ritualist, visiting shrines and places where spirits are. Little does she know however, the Gods of Tyria smiley upon her with her path made out for her. She doesn't know that she will make a close friend from a teacher in Elona, Sytheria Moonstar and her husband, Volishkar. Sytheria is a skilled teacher of necromancy, and has felt a surge in her magic with the disturbance of Nightfall from Abbadon. Her Husband is in the Sunspears, and has always aided in the group and is often gone on long periods of time helping them, and his country out. The two of them fell in love when the first saw each other, and hate it when they must leave each other. Sytheria has even traveled to Tyria and Cantha to find spellbooks and grimores that contain old necromantic spells, and attempts to aid her husband in furthering the knowledge the Sunspears have by bringing other information back with her from these lands.

Do you (ANET) catch my point there? I don't want to say good bye to all of that. Reset their stats, take away my gold. Don't take away my characters and their history that is ever so forming, with more history behind and in front of them!

Also, why would you let the chance of people stealing names from well known people? I can think of five or six mods/admin here that now will run the risk should he/she decide to carry the name over, but now have to fight for that character that aided them in becoming who they are on these forums.

This whole 'no level cap'. I'm fifty-fifty on. If, and this is a major if, ANET decides to take away the cap, so be it. But, if we even get near Lv. 100 Charr Elementalist, getting that high had better and seriously take some massive time to get to. I don't want to play the game for three months and suddenly be a hundred in level. It isn't going to be any fun doing that unless it's a pain in the caboose to get to, and I want that. (Don't be immature here people) Edit: I want to see this sort of thing travel through Campaigns, not in just one game.

Don't know if I like this "companion" idea. Keep me with the henchies and the Heroes I don't already like, I don't need a third option.

PvP. For those who play it, I hope it does exactly what you are wanting and seeking. If it too is messed up, I'm sorry. It'll be excellent having another PvP option and still having PvP side by side with PvE, but I hope it isn't radically changed for you.

I'm entirely weary of Guildwars 2. I am excited for Eye of the North! But I don't want to see races I don't know running around me, and now having the characters that I played (now for almost two years with one of them, just six months with my Monk, Ritualist, Necromancer and Dervish) leave me. Doesn't seem like a fair trade off right now unless I can bring them with me.

ArielEzekiel · Mar 21, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Paperfly

On the contrary, it seems you're a little too abstract at this point. For your market-forces approach to work, you need the consumers (i.e. yourself - presumably!) to make informed economic decisions about the product strictly from the perspective of the utility (~fun, in this case) it provides; in key with what they want out of a game, in short.

...So effectively, you're in an impossible position. You can't judge the product on its capitalist merits without distorting the results by your own "impartial" presence and judgment. Unless you're only looking into it as a financial investment opportunity, in which case I'd suggest you're looking at the wrong forum.

I beg to differ. Through proper risk-assessment and research, there is a higher probability that the product may suit a higher number of players. In the end, it is more of a balancing act. There is no obligation for a company to reward loyalty, what is more important is whether can they get a larger players' base and the potential for an even larger players' base even if it means losing part or all (although i do not think this will happen due the risk involved) of the current players' base now. Of course, risk-assessment plays a huge part in mitigating the risks involved.

Besides, I do not think utility relates to fun alone. To some, successes in a game allows one who does not succeed in real life to have a sense of satisfaction and create a feeling of superiority in the game itself, even though that is through numerous hours of grinding. The list for utility is non-conclusive. There are many examples one can think of if one readily relates to the realistic world.

And yes, in the standpoint of the company, I will always look at such matters from a financial investment opportunity point of view. As one grows older, one tend to realise the realistic nature of the world. It is certainly not that simplistic, noble and idealistic.

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

This isn't entirely accurate--if they think they can get more sales with a game that seems to be more a traditional MMO, then they're going to do exactly that, no matter the outcry on forums.

It's all about money. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

I concur with this point.

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

CuriousCarrie, I belived I said Cassie before - sorry :x I was talking to someone on msn called Cassie and yeah :P
Anyway, I was thinking along the same lines as you. This 'GW2' just isn't GW. Release it under another name or something, 'Scrub Wars' - jks.
Sleep time, I predict it's gonna reach page 50 by tomorrow morning XD

PS: half the people who post here just try to impress with their 'mature' facade.. w/e. Don't even bother with them =)

Thanks,
~Rhanoct

NP

But yes... it's not GW. I think the best name suggestion for it so far came from Ninja, who called it World of Guildcraft. Apparently people at Anet think they have to copy WoW to be successful, when they don't seem to realize they have a very dedicated fanbase already, mainly because it is everything BUT WoW. And for everyone who thinks GW2 is great because of all the new WoW-aspects to it, I think you should all go play WoW instead. No offense Anet, but really... if it's the WoW aspects you love... then go play that!

zwei2stein · Mar 21, 2007, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

This isn't entirely accurate--if they think they can get more sales with a game that seems to be more a traditional MMO, then they're going to do exactly that, no matter the outcry on forums.

It's all about money. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

Problem is ... people wanting traditional MMO already left for those, and traditional MMO makes swithing games back and forth hard (you have developed char you are not gonna leave for other game that is ... more or less the same.)

is something long the way with "If people want more of same, they will come to you, if they want something different, they already went to someone else."

Not mentioning that GW2 will directly compete with Lineage series. Wondering why NCsoft is allowing it go this way.

Retribution X · Mar 21, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Last time we got promised a team to update old content, all we got was sorrows furnace. one big update.

I hope that we at least get a 10 person team.

Krum4o · Mar 21, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

I would have bought c4 if it was a real expansion like the previous ones. But that dones not seem to be the case. 100 new skill +50 pve skills. Thats 10 skills per class, plus 5 pve skills per class. 4 armors per class. Is it really worth it? Not in my eyes at least. C4 should just be an update like sorrows furnace.

Undressed · Mar 21, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Krum4o

I would have bought c4 if it was a real expansion like the previous ones. But that dones not seem to be the case. 100 new skill +50 pve skills. Thats 10 skills per class, plus 5 pve skills per class. 4 armors per class. Is it really worth it? Not in my eyes at least. C4 should just be an update like sorrows furnace.

It'll most likely cost less than any standalone, if I read that correctly.

Meat Axe · Mar 21, 2007, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Well, I'm very excited about both Eye of the North and GW2. I think a lot of the features proposed in GW2 sound really interesting. Can't wait to play a Charr. And the quest manipulation idea sounds great. Also, huge PvP battles might actually make me interested in PvP.

To all those out there complaining that you've "wasted" time on the game, I can just ask how? Did you enjoy playing? If not, why did you do it? If you did, then what is wasted? You had a good time, a few laughs, just move on. You'll get a few kicks out of GW2 as well.

To be honest, I'm glad we can't transfer characters. I'd much prefer Anet work on making the game as good as possible rather than worrying about compatibility between the two engines. The news about the Hall of Monuments is awesome. It's one of the things I was hoping for. Just something to show that our old characters were heroes, and not just forgotten.

Yeah, I'm very optimistic about the games. I'll be waiting eagerly for any information about beta testing, just to find out how they've done some of the things I'm not sure of (primarily I wanna see how they work things without instances. I don't wanna play a game where people can come along and steal my kills). But until that point, I'm just gonna say that, yet again, you've done an excellent job Anet.

ArielEzekiel · Mar 21, 2007, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

Hmm... yes... I'm a child... ok... that's why my spelling and grammar are better than most teenagers, including yours. Well, a responsible adult who realizes that 13 bucks a month is a waste of money, would perhaps stop paying it? Who said I spend loads of time in GW anyway? That is just your childish assumption because I have all of that. I get lucky drops that are worth a lot, so all of a sudden that makes me into a person who plays GW every waking hour of the day? It's precisely what I love about GW, is that even with lack of commitment you can get very far in the game, like myself. I don't need to take 2 weeks to level up a character. If you notice, it took a friend of mine 10hours to get FoW and a lvl20 character. Now do that in your 13bucks a month game. Or perhaps in your much supported GW2. If I were to work hours like yours and be on call 24/7, I wouldn't invest any money in monthly fees in a game. If you work that much, perhaps you should scrap gaming altogether and spend also those last 6-8 hours with your wife as well. I'm sure she'd appreciate it.

If you're already paying for a game every month, why don't you play it? And if you want to play a WoW-style game, then play the original. It's sad that Anet seems to think that they have to bring out a game like WoW to succeed in the gaming industry, when they've won so many awards for being so original, etc. GW1 is a terrific game, and other than perhaps the technical aspects of it (like superior graphics), I don't see why they would want to bring out a whole new game other than to satisfy the needs of little children who can't pay the monthly WoW fees. GW was something original, something to be praised, something you didn't have to devote your life to or waste monthly fees on. And this is all being thrown out? Fine. I won't support. Sad if you do. They might as well make a whole new game instead of ruining the good name which is Guild Wars.

Ditto. It's really a choice for people. Either u let the game manipulate you or you manipulate the game. I prefer the latter.

Besides, playing a game is just like studying.. either you study hard or you study smart. Although I prefer both but the ability to study smart is so much more important than just blatantly studying hard. The same thing goes for playing GW, there are easy ways to get gold if you can manipulate the market and the game to your liking.

Regards,
Ariel

darktyco · Mar 21, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by De Maximoff

What could possibly motivate people to buy Eye of the North? You are spending money to buy it and investing your time in characters that you can not take into the new game. For myself there is no motivation to buy it.

How about because its GW and its fun? I look forward to playing through GWEN and then I look forward to a completely new world with GW2 after that.

Miral · Mar 21, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

since I was likely lost in all the petty arguing *coughspectreandundressedforinstancecough*

TWO QUESTIONS.

1. How will character slots be handled in gw2? will slot purchases in guild wars have any effect on ANYTHING?

2. Will any significant content ever be released for guild wars after GWEN and gw2 are out? any new chapters or free addons like sorrows furnace?

Miral · Mar 21, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Undressed

It'll most likely cost less than any standalone, if I read that correctly.

it will probably be priced at $30 USD, which is about what you can get the campaigns for when they are on sale (which is often)

Demilikos · Mar 21, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by De Maximoff

What could possibly motivate people to buy Eye of the North? You are spending money to buy it and investing your time in characters that you can not take into the new game.

As of now, Anet is hanging on to the Hall of Monuments idea which I myself find somewhat intriguing. Hopefully they let us in a bit more on that.

There's still a long way to go, and with all the complaints they're getting I'm sure they'll add a few more incentives that tie GWEN to GW2.

Arkor Demilikos

beanerman_99 · Mar 21, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Mixed feelings about GW2. I like some things and don't like other. But as a whole I say "bring it on!" I look forward to exploring a new world, learning new skills, and just having new experiences. I love GW but I do get bored with it sometimes.

I could post a long, drawn out post about all my thoughts and feelings, but pretty much everything has been covered by others here.

I just want one thing to transfer and that would be my characters names. I would like it if ANET gave us the chance to reserve at least 6 character names and 1 Guild name.

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by ArielEzekiel

Ditto. It's really a choice for people. Either u let the game manipulate you or you manipulate the game. I prefer the latter.

Besides, playing a game is just like studying.. either you study hard or you study smart. Although I prefer both but the ability to study smart is so much more important than just blatantly studying hard. The same thing goes for playing GW, there are easy ways to get gold if you can manipulate the market and the game to your liking.

Regards,
Ariel

Exactly. And it's what made GW so unique and not as time consuming. The only health hazard in sight is GW2 and any likeness to WoW, as Ninja previously pointed out. If you want to keep up in a game like WoW, you have to devote far too much time and effort into it. The amount of time and effort that goes into a game like that is appalling. GW is a charming game, it has wonderful graphics which naturally with time will become outdated, but the game itself is timeless. If Anet feels they would like to make a new game, then go ahead, but in my opinion it should not try to sell a WoW-game for GW.

BoredJoe · Mar 21, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

I'll be disappointed at not bringing my gold across. Why? Because I retired from farming a long time ago and rarely do it because I have enough to get by on.

Some people say it'll be fun starting from scratch. In some respects yes, until you realise you don't have that 10K to buy the next set of armour have to go out and farm for a few hours.

GW2 = hours spent restarting farming from scratch to build up the bank again.

Until GW3, in which case you know you'll have to restart from scratch and start farming again.

The good thing about GW2 is that it will give people a checkpoint at which they can decide whether to continue playing or try something new, perhaps something with a auction house.

Demilikos · Mar 21, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by BoredJoe

I'll be disappointed at not bringing my gold across. Why? Because I retired from farming a long time ago and rarely do it because I have enough to get by on.

Spend it all on new good from GWEN. Plus, with hard mode coming out there should be new items to spend it on.

It's like getting old. Rather than let your spoiled grandson inherit it while you die and you'll be off through the mists, spend it all on yourself and buy everything in sight.